14
Dec

I love Free Speech.

   Posted by: Patrick   in General, Idiots, Moonbats, Patrick

Allen Jasson and myself share a common belief. The belief in freedom of speech. Therefore I know he won’t mind me pointing out that he is a fucking idiot.

Who is he? He is this moron who boarded a plane in London wearing this

And what happened was this

AN Australian was barred from a London-Melbourne flight unless he removed a T-shirt depicting George Bush as the world’s number one terrorist.

Allen Jasson was also prevented from catching a connecting flight within Australia later the same day unless he removed the offending T-shirt.

Now the thing is, he did it to arouse controversy. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if he deliberately provoked security into demanding he remove it.

After a prolonged argument about freedom of speech and expression, Mr Jasson said a Qantas gate manager said he could not fly at all unless he wore another T-shirt.

Mr Jasson said his clothing had already been checked in and he was forced to buy a new T-shirt – this time with London Underground written on it – coincidentally the site of a terrorist attack last year.

“I felt I had made my point and caved in,” Mr Jasson said.

But after arriving in Australia, Mr Jasson said he put his Bush T-shirt back on and was again banned from boarding a connecting flight – this time a Virgin Blue plane from Adelaide to Melbourne.

He went out of his way to put his terrorist T shirt back on for the next flight. Knowing full well it would get some kind of reaction.

This is after all the same Allen Jasson who signed a petition in support of the cowardly Ehren K. Watada who joined the American army, but chickened out when they actually sent him off to a war. The same Allen Jasson who participates in far left hate fests like the Indymedia UK style.


At the March 18th Demonstration I asked members of the London Met to line up and give support to bringing these war criminals to justice. They said, “Allen, we’re right behind you all the way!” (See Photo).

Allen Jasson
mail e-mail: allen.jasson@rightofchoice.com

This idiot (freedom of speech baby, freedom of speech) is no stranger to causing trouble. The only real surprise is that the Herald Sun didn’t even bother to google the fuckwits name before they made him out to be some kind of innocent little John Citizen who the big bad airlines were picking on.

He wrote this on the Green left Weekley site

Vindictive state

At the anti-war demo disrupting Howard’s dinner at Melbourne’s Camberwell Civic Centre, I parked my car across a driveway obstructing the PM’s departure. The action caused a moment of brief chaos among the dozens of mounted and foot police, who parted like the seas of Galilee to find their intentions thwarted and an hour’s delay to the PM’s schedule while my vehicle was towed away.

I doubt that it saved many lives in Iraq but I felt some pride that it allowed the evening’s efforts of several hundred protesters to end with a bang rather than a whimper.

Aside from the $275 to recover my vehicle, police imposed traffic penalties totalling $325. The smugness of the police sergeant almost suggested it was personal, but I sent off a cheque that included a $5 donation to the Police Union in recognition of the fact that (apart from the idiot minority) police behaviour on the night had been generally non-violent.

I’m not here to self-aggrandise or whinge about the fines, I knew the possible consequences and have already faced them. I just wanted to publicise the vindictiveness of the state and its readiness to abuse the mechanisms intended to facilitate an orderly society for the purpose of suppressing political dissent. This government openly defies a majority will of the people far greater than that which elected it and abuses the instruments of social order to get it’s way.

Allen L Jasson
Melbourne

Hats off to him, he made headlines, he achieved his aim. Still, he has made the Herald Sun look foolish.

Allen Jasson….YAAFM.

***********UPDATE*************

Heeeessssss Baaaaaaaaaack!

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67 comments so far

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What a total tool. :roll:

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December 14th, 2006 at 12:30 pm
 2 

I doubt that it saved many lives in Iraq

Then what’s the fucking point? Nothing more than self aggrandising famewhore-itis, methinks. I fully support the right of all citizens to protest, but if the protest is not going to make a difference to your selected cause such energy would be better spent elsewhere, somewhere useful.

If he cares this much for the citizens of Iraq then why doesn’t he do something like a medics course and go work over there with Medicins sans Frontiers or some other non-government organisation.

Getting attention for himself by jumping up and down about the tragic situation in Iraq is truly selfish, and instead of his protesting and ranting maybe he could actually do something constructive that could improve the quality of life for Iraqis.

On this note I would like to point out that a lot of what some NGOs come out with I disagree with, but I sure as hell respect them and take their opinions on board because they are the real deal, they are out there making real differences… not just noise

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December 14th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
 3 

The guy is an idiot. He also looks like Cindy sheehan. Could they be related? :?: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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December 14th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
 4 

I think he is hell bent on his own publicity not about saving lives. Maybe the officials were trying to save his by asking him to remove the TSHIRT.

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December 14th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
 5 

Perhaps this clown should piss off and live in the middle east, or somewhere in Africa perhaps! I’m sure he’d just love how kind and gentle a great many governments are in that part of the world.

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December 15th, 2006 at 12:25 am
 6 

I was talking about this nonsense with a few other people last night. No one can believe the reporter (in this case Mark Dunn) didn’t even bother to google the guys name!

Certainly if he had he would have known he was being played for a fool and the story would never have appeared.

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December 15th, 2006 at 7:54 am
 7 

But hey, it’s not about getting the story straight, it’s ALL about a little US-bashing!

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December 16th, 2006 at 3:57 am
 8 

Yes this is true Brooke.

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December 16th, 2006 at 9:12 am
Allen
 9 

Making a meaningful contribution to an important debate (by means so innocuous as a T-Shirt) seems to shake the nerve of corporate moghuls for fear it may offend the sensibilities of their customers but back home, the likes of Patrick thinh that Free Speach means being at liberty to exercise his intellect by calling someone a “fucking idiot”. What a gem! A typical Australian? There are lots of them lying in the gutters of Earl’s Court of a Saturday night.- all singing the same song.

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December 22nd, 2006 at 11:33 pm
 10 

Hello Allen, assuming of course you’re not a troll in disguise.

Frankly i don’t have a problem with the T-shirt. If you think it’s a meaningful contribution I have to agree with the YAAFM conclusion tho.

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December 23rd, 2006 at 5:54 am
 11 

HI Allen!

I wondered how long it would take a self obsessed egomaniac like yourself to google your own name.

I guess you think it’s fine and dandy to exercise your “free speech” by implying that the Americans are so stupid they actually voted in the worlds “#1 Terrorist”?

No Allen, I stand by my conviction that you are a fucking idiot. Maybe you would think me a far more towering intellect if I got “the worlds #1 moron” printed over your picture and wore it on a t shirt?

As for this

Making a meaningful contribution to an important debate (by means so innocuous as a T-Shirt) seems to shake the nerve of corporate moghuls for fear it may offend the sensibilities of their customers

How deluded you are. You are a publicity whore. Of course you would have offended people, particularly Americans, but that’s ok right?

YAAFM.

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December 23rd, 2006 at 8:32 am
Allen
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The point of that T-Shirt was neither to offend (though obviously, I don’t mind if it does, and nor do the victims of American terrorism), nor self-aggrandise and I certainly would not have expected it to lead to publicity (though I’m glad it did :-) ). In fact, I was surprised that the right-wing nutters would go so far as to use airlines and airport security as a means of oppression down to that level. My comment about “shaking the nerve of corporate moghuls” was of course, sarcastic. Their obvious intention is complete suppression of what is and will continue to become a mushrooming groundswell of global opinion that guns and bombs can neither contain nor erase. You are not very insightful Patrick and your persistent resort to abusing the messenger (“YAAFM”, “you are a fucking idiot”) only emphasises your inability to engage with the real issues at hand – in particular, the real cost of OIL.

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December 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pm
 13 

Come back when you have a half way original thought Allen. Your harping Michael Moore inspired rhetoric is mind numbingly un original, boring and typical.
PS. Speaking of not being very insightful, I love your letter to the Israeli Media. Classic regurgitation of left wing group think.

YAAFM

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December 23rd, 2006 at 12:19 pm
Allen
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Have you ever noticed, Patrick, how people just avoid you if you’re abusive when you disagree with them? But don’t worry, I won’t come back, even if I do come up with something original. :-)

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December 23rd, 2006 at 8:06 pm
 15 

This is certainly good news.
Just in case you do come back (and you will, your to egotistical not too) perhaps you can answer me one question. How come you take offence so at my “abuse” of you but you like to “abuse” others….like Dubya or Americans (or Jews) in general?

I’ll tell you. Its because you are a hypocrite, just like most other left wing half wits out there.

I’m sure I won’t be crying over your vanishing act. I do notice, now that you mention it, that people usually run with their tail between their legs when they are caught out being morons.

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December 23rd, 2006 at 10:19 pm
 16 

It’s hilarious that someone whining about “the real cost of oil” is famous for what he did on a commercial airline flight. Obviously the “real” cost of oil isn’t so important when it collides with his own personal convienence.
If it was such an important issue to you that you’d go to the extreme of wearing a T-Shirt, then you’d fucking swim home, you hypocrite.

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December 24th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
Peadar King
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Mr Patrick
I will not be coming back to this site. I remain only to tell you that the way in which you condemned Mr Jassens actions at the afforementioned airports was childish in the extreme.You employed an ignorrant and supressive argument and tried to rubbish a mans name publicly, a low blow tactic which I am sure would not be recipricated by Mr Jassen. I am sure that I dont agree with all that Mr Jassen has to say and I know that I dont agree with all of what Mr Moore says regularly. However, for someone to be offended by the said T-shirt, is complete folly. The only person who could rightly have been offended by that T – shirt is Mr Bush himself, a plight for him which I fear he is not innocent in bringing upon himself. If political correctness is that rampant among the people that you must seek to angrily defend a hopelessy inadeqaute head of state, using expletives to attack someone with an other opinion than your own, then it is a sad day for so called free speech. Mr Jassen should be perfectly free to wear what he would like, and express his opinions as He so chooses. Your attack was uneducated and indeed, unintelligent. I do not wish to waste anymore of my time with someone who clearly has the brain capacity of half an amoeba .
yours sincerely
Peadar King

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January 5th, 2007 at 1:58 am
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Hi Pedder!

Thank you so much for not returning. It saves me the bother of trashing your nonsensical comment.

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January 5th, 2007 at 8:53 am
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But don’t worry, I won’t come back, even if I do come up with something original.

Allen

Just in case you do come back (and you will, your to egotistical not too)

Patrick

Allen Returns!

And remains silent.

Click the picture for a better look.

And Kati thinks she is always right
:roll:

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January 6th, 2007 at 9:10 am
rachy
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Wait a minute, Patrick is being childish? And this is coming from someone who goes around wearing a T-shirt like that? Cute!

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January 7th, 2007 at 11:41 am
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Guys & girls – one moment please! How about a T-Shirt (ghosting of Allen in background) with slogan “TOD’s #1 Fucking Idiot.” Wait, there are others out there who might compete for such an Innocuous t-shirt! Maybe I’ve jumped the gun…..

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January 7th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
rachy
 22 

What about this T-shirt? Or preferably one that says “Osama sucks Dick”?

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January 7th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
 23 

Dear Allen and Patrick,

I would like to applaude you both for supporting the principles of freedom of speech.

I support non-violent protest.

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January 22nd, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Ben (rezon87)
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I am a supporter of free speech and i use it alot myself. Mr Jasson has the right to express himself with free speech, but if he choses to use the service offered by qantas then he should abide by the rules they set forward (or swim). Also, Patrick has the same right to free speech when commenting on allen’s behaviour. And allen, you obviously wanted publicity because what would your demonstration achieve without it? So dont go trying to sound innocent because we arent as dumb as you assume we are and you arent as smart as you assume you are.

I would like to express thanks for this site as a tool of free speech. Thankyou!

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January 22nd, 2007 at 2:32 pm
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Hi Matthew!

I support non-violent protest.

Would that include stunts like this

At the anti-war demo disrupting Howard’s dinner at Melbourne’s Camberwell Civic Centre, I parked my car across a driveway obstructing the PM’s departure. The action caused a moment of brief chaos among the dozens of mounted and foot police, who parted like the seas of Galilee to find their intentions thwarted and an hour’s delay to the PM’s schedule while my vehicle was towed away

??

Hi Ben (rezon87)
Thanks for the comment, feel free to drop on in any time. And your most welcome :D

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January 22nd, 2007 at 3:47 pm
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:mrgreen: Damn, I missed all the fun. Fucking liberals… :roll:

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January 22nd, 2007 at 4:19 pm
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Thay are a fun lot are they not Joe?

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January 22nd, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Yemur Freejay
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You are making a mistake. Mistake is on freedom of speech. You can put “world’s no. 1 terrorist” on your tshirt and walk around… ppl may even think that you were it… but to say “allen jason is an idiot” is not freedom of speech and you could be sued for it. Better watch out and do it in a slightly roundabout way.

Incidentally I agree with the man who said
“I might object to your tshirt, but I’ll defend to death your right to wear it”/

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January 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pm
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Yemur Freejay,

Actually you are wrong, calling Allen an idiot IS covered by freedom of speech the same as calling Bush a terrorist is covered by freedom of speech.

We are 100% for freedom of speech! As long as idiots exercise their rights we get to exercise our rights by pointing out what dumbasses they are.

Incidentally I agree with the man who said “I might object to your tshirt, but I’ll defend to death your right to wear it”/

We do too, except that isn’t the original quote! We also will defend our right to call an idiot who wears the stupid shirt, an idiot!

I love freedom of speech when it works both way!

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January 22nd, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Pinot Grigio
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In the late 90′s I had the dubious pleasure of working alongside Allen at a large mobile phone company in Yorkshire before he was walked off the premesis for making our team’s life hell with his self opinionated bullshit and prima donna like demands ( we all typed too loudly on our keyboards and he couldnt concentrate!!! FFS!). One of his favourite rants was people driving on motorways. He would often regale us with his plans to introduce spiral moroway lanes, allowing slow drivers in the outside lanes to be pushed into the inside lanes…errrm…yep, 100% fuckwit.

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January 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Srekwah
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World’s #1
Islamo Cocksucker:

Allen Jasson

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January 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Jane
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Poor Americans, sad little ignorant unworldly selfish xenophobic losers. One person should not make a difference, but regrettably for you small people, history tells us otherwise and your level of anger shows that you know it too.

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January 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 pm
TheJoker!
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Thank God for Free Speech ! I am printing shirts for you guys – free of charge.
The world’s top foul mouth moronic monkey-see-monkey-do trash talkers: Brooke, rachy,lori,seawitch,Bozwell,Stewed Hamm,Rhino,Trias,Joe,Pinot Grigio,Srekwah,Kati & topping the list:Patrick the coxcomb ! :mrgreen:

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January 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 am
Matthew
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Why do people fail to understand that Freedom of Speech applies to the government trying to silence someone’s opinion, not a private business. Privately owned businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, free speech is not an issue!

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January 23rd, 2007 at 12:26 am
Scott
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Thanks for posting Allen’s email (No 1 Terrorist Tee Shirt wearer).

Indeed, he’s achieved a rare double feat, gaining world exposure for being an asshole over wearing a stupid left-wing tee shirt. (55 and still being defiant….time to grow up, Allen).

Self-righteous IT weenies are the worst when it comes to polemics. They think they’ve got all the answers such as cutting and running. Time to reboot, Allen. Your system crashed.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 12:50 am
Robert
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I used to work with this guy! He’s a character all right 8O

he needs to explain his theory on spiralling motorway lanes as an aid to easing congestion :mrgreen:

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January 23rd, 2007 at 1:08 am
TheJoker!
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Scott should be added to the “The world’s top foul mouth moronic monkey-see-monkey-do trash talkers” T-shirt too. Hey, what do you know – the list keeps growing! Another contending nincompoop vying to be on the T-shirt. Here is a new title for the T-shirt “The world’s top foul mouth moronic monkey-see-monkey-do trash talking nincompoops” or simply poops.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 1:10 am
Rob in Atlanta
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If this guy believes that he is being oppressed, he is a true tool. A commercial space (such as an airline) is not a forum for freedom of speech. You can’t just stand up in the middle of the flight and begin lecturing about whatever topic you desire. Also, airlines the world over regulate attire. I’ve even known some airlines to provide vouchers for showers for some guests that have particularly strong body odor. This man has innumberable ways to voice his opinion without trying to cause harm to an airline. Maybe someone should print up a bunch of T-shirts with this tool’s face and some sort of offensive, smug tag-line. It is people like him who give those who have true and thoughtful criticism a bad name by association.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 1:21 am
Phil
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Hi Allen:

You’re a really brave guy prancing around Australia playing cute little tricks on the police, getting publicity with funny clothes, and enjoying your freedom to do as you wish – a freedom that was secured for you by the sacrifices of others.

If you really have the courage of your “convictions”, you should go to Iraq and wander around Baghdad or Sadar City wearing that cute T-shirt. I’m sure the Jihadists would welcome you with open arms – Just watch out for their long knives.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 3:07 am
 40 

Allen equates wearing a t-shirt as “freedom of speech” with total disregard to the airlines right of “freedom of choice” to accept him as a customer. Who/what has more rights out of these two, Allen/Qantas. speech/choice?

As Rob in Atlanta has correctly pointed out:

….airlines the world over regulate attire

In my opinion the t-shirt does not represent “freedom of speech”, it reflects “freedom of expression.”

On the other hand, let him wear it so some person who has the inclination to express their freedom of expression with a fist to his face can have some fun with Allen.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 am
Gee I Joe
 41 

Hey yank-in-kiwi-land: How many turd nuggets did you eat before you started talking like that ? Seems like you have been swimming in the sewers a little too often.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:15 am
Stubbe
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Jane
you ignorant slut, you two bit dried up hose bag

there I always wanted to use that one

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:17 am
Phil
 43 

“Jane
you ignorant slut, you two bit dried up hose bag”

Seems like some people get a bit giddy with freedom of speech. ;)

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:36 am
 44 

Jane, you ignorant slut, get back on your Prozac. Americans like me consider folks like you no more significant than the thrush-eating maggots crawling up your pudendum.

Joker, your name says it all, but, ironically, you’re not funny.

I think what’s amusing here is, once again, liberals continue to provide their own prima facie evidence that Liberalism is a mental disorder characterized by symptoms of ethnocentric masochism and narcissism, often accompanied by Western guilt, all of which manifest in the liberals’ projection of their own inadequacy, weakness, and low self-esteem for which they often try to compensate with bravado, hubris, and an over-inflated sense of self-importance. Liberals are often suicidal and obviously either in denial or incognizant of their own dimentia.

If you or somebody you love is a liberal, please have them go to Lib-Aid for the correct treatment for liberalism before it’s too late.

I hereby commemorate today as the first “International Kick a Liberal in the Nuts Day.”

Cheers! :D

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:38 am
Phil
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Poor Americans, sad little ignorant unworldly selfish xenophobic losers. One person should not make a difference, but regrettably for you small people, history tells us otherwise and your level of anger shows that you know it too.

Dear Jane: You’ve apparently been reading fairy tales, rather than history books. Wise up, will you? Otherwise somebody might accuse you of being a “two-bit, dried up hose bag”. :mrgreen:

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:43 am
Stubbe
 46 

WOW

Well said Joe!!

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:44 am
TheJoker!
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Hey Joe: Love to kick you in the nuts … problem is … you guys have no balls ! HA HA HA !

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:58 am
 48 

“Gee I Joe,” ….yawn…..

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:59 am
 49 

Wow Patrick where do you get all these trolls? I wonder how many are Allen wearing a different T-shirt.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 5:59 am
Phil
 50 

I wonder how many are Allen wearing a different T-shirt.

Allen only has one shirt, regardless of what he’s wearing :evil:

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January 23rd, 2007 at 6:02 am
Peter Scott
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I am proud of Allen Jasson for his stance on freedom of speech. His t-shirt used no foul language, and expressed a political view which is supported by the statistics of civilian deaths and which is probably supported by millions or hundred of millions of people world-wide, especially amongst the Muslim countries. If an airline refuses a fare paying passenger because of his main-stream beliefs, they are no better than the Nazis. Next. they will ban passengers on religious grounds, especially the Jews! Are we to stand by and let this happen like the inert Europeans in th1930′s? I call for a worldwide boycott of Qantas. Let’s put them into liquidation as a warning to other airlines that Nazis will not be tolerated ever again. Meanwhile, how can I contribute to the legal costs of Allen Jasson?

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January 23rd, 2007 at 6:19 am
Stubbe
 52 

Yeah I get right on that Peter Scott :roll:

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January 23rd, 2007 at 6:22 am
Stubbe
 53 

Yeah I’ll get right on that Peter Scott :roll:

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January 23rd, 2007 at 6:23 am
 54 

LOL, Joker, yeah, sure you would. Historically, libs have proven to be very tough and battleworthy…

:roll:

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January 23rd, 2007 at 6:25 am
 55 

Peter, what the fuck turnip truck did you fall off of?

…a political view which is supported by the statistics of civilian deaths and which is probably supported by millions or hundred of millions of people world-wide, especially amongst the Muslim countries.

Were you as concerned for the civilian deaths at the hands of Saddam or the civilian deaths in the Balkans? How about in Darfour? Or is that also America’s fault because we’re not there? Which statistics are you referring to, the over-inflated UN statistics which include among civilian deaths the guy who has a heart attack and dies as a result of witnessing an IED exploding in the Baghdad cafe he was about to enter? As for “…supported by hundreds of millions of people…” – being right or wrong is not a popularity contest. It’s easier and safer to hate Bush than it is to confront the muslim scourge sweeping the planet. And speaking of muslims, you are aware that most of the muslim world is illiterate, so who gives a fuck what they think?

If an airline refuses a fare paying passenger because of his main-stream beliefs, they are no better than the Nazis.

That’s rich. “Mainstream beliefs?” Maybe in the leftard, fuckwit universe you inhabit. Qantas is a private enterprise. If you disagree with their policies, boycott them, by all means. Good luck with that. As for being Nazi’s, do you know who the Nazi’s were? As they were the National SOCIALIST party, you have more in common with them than you may be aware. If you weren’t so deluded and had better powers of observation, you would be aware that the muslim fascists are today’s Nazis – Hitler in a headscarf. I find it interesting that if America was as bad as you lefties claim, you would all have been locked up in concentration camps a long time ago, and after the initial invasion of Iraq, there would not have been one single man, woman, or child left breathing.

The rest of your drivel isn’t even worth addressing.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 am
Mark^Bastard
 56 

Oh look another left vs right debate. How original.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 7:44 am
 57 

Hey, Mark, you missed the debate. This is just a flame war now. What’s your point?

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January 23rd, 2007 at 8:00 am
 58 

Wow, I see nothing brings people out like good old fashioned idiot behaviour!

Too many people to answer individually, to all the supporters THANKS, to the others, I think the gulf between you and reality is unbridgeable. Perhaps a nice straight jacket might be in order?

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January 23rd, 2007 at 10:28 am
Aussie
 59 

1. There is no :”freedom of speech” clause in the Australian constitution.There never has been. There is one in US law…which does not apply in Australia and never has.

2. QANTAS has every right to refuse service.They are a private company, and that right is reserved.Same with Virgin.

3. This guy may find himself marked as a ‘serial pest”..not a good idea.

4 .This guy was offered seats to fly provided he did not wear that shirt-he refused to accept, and said he either flew with the t shirt on or nothing- so he has no legal ground to stand on-QANTAS have said he can fly, provided he doesnt wear that shirt-they are within their rights.

5 He lost.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Aussie
 60 

Peter Scott-let me repeat

There is no “freedom of speech” clause in Australian law.The US Constitution has NO LEGAL EFFECT in Australia, unless said person is an American-which he is not.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Phil
 61 

If an airline refuses a fare paying passenger because of his main-stream beliefs, they are no better than the Nazis. Next. they will ban passengers on religious grounds, especially the Jews! Are we to stand by and let this happen like the inert Europeans in th1930′s? I call for a worldwide boycott of Qantas. Let’s put them into liquidation as a warning to other airlines that Nazis will not be tolerated ever again.

Don’t you folks realize that the airline’s refusal to allow Allen to board had nothing to do with politics whatsoever?

As a retired captain for a major airline, I can tell you that the airlines are public transportation and operate under very strict guidelines with regard to the refusal of passengers.

In most (democratic) countries, there are only certain circumstances under which an air carrier can legally refuse to accept a paying passenger. One of those is if the passenger in question is clothed in a manner likely to cause offense to others. There are several others, such as showing the signs of intoxication, refusal to follow the lawful orders of the flight crew, having an offensive bodily odor not caused by disease or disability (plain old BO),etc. Almost all of these relate directly to the overriding obligaiton of the air carrier to ensure the safety of the aircraft and passengers.

Being drunk in public or wearing a t-shirt designed to provoke controversy is one thing on the ground, but at 35,000 feet inside an airplane with hundreds of innocent passengers who only want, and have a right to expect, to get to their destination safely is quite another.

The airlines have no interest in restricting free speech or personal behaviour, but they do have a legal obligation to take reasonable precautions to ensure the safety of the passengers and crew.

If Allen wants to wear his provocative t-shirt on the street, that’s certainly his right. But his rights end when they endanger the safety of others – just like yelling “Fire” inside a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech.

Allen is smart enough to know all of this – that’s why he wore the shirt to the airport in the first place. If he had simply worn it while walking down the street, he would have gotten no publicity. And he would have been similiarily disappointed had Quantas simply accepted him onboard.

But he knew that Quantas couldn’t legally accept him the way he was dressed, which is why he did it in the first place. Now he’s laughing at everyone who’s getting steamed at Quantas – this was his objective all along.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Aussie
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Phil: you’re forgetting one (and congrats, Captain…hope it’s a long and fun retirement, bet you’ve got lots of stories to tell :) )

Post one some time, will you?? :)

An airline captain has the same rights as the commander of a ship at sea: his word is law. The pilot is in absolute command.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 2:15 pm
TheJoker!
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Hello Patrick … no need to thank me, I am very much your supporter, infact I would very much like you & your lackeys to join my troupe. I am sure the chimpanzees would love your company not to mention how good you all will make them look with your lame duck theatrics & your telling Bozo T-shirts. As far as reality is concerned why don’t you cheer up a little “Mr.idiotic behavior”? Get a job, have a girl/boyfriend or whatever suits your fancy. Wake up & smell the coffee for a change, instead of the usual & mundane mountain of dung you have buried your schnozzle in. We will have to invent a special jacket for your types since a simple straight jacket just won’t do the job – a “crooked” jacket is more likely to be a better fit don’t you think ? Care for a Banana ? Sorry, the Bananas are just for the monkeys – a turd ball perhaps ?
:mrgreen:

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January 23rd, 2007 at 3:47 pm
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Aussie,

An airline captain has the same rights as the commander of a ship at sea: his word is law. The pilot is in absolute command.

You mean it is over? Damn!

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January 23rd, 2007 at 3:53 pm
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TheJoker,

You have got to be the most unoriginal lefty to come to this site. Most lefties pretend to have a brain but you totally screw pretense.

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January 23rd, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Phil
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Aussie: An airline captain has the same rights as the commander of a ship at sea: his word is law. The pilot is in absolute command.

True, but unless the Captain wants to spend his days off fighting lawyers, :-( he had better know that what he’s doing isn’t arbitrary or capricious. That’s why most airlines have a written list of conditions for passenger non-acceptance.

Also, airline managers continually try to limit the Captain’s authority because managers like to manage. So at many airlines these days, the Captain doesn’t have a lot to say about things until the airplane is away from the gate and truly under his command.

I have on such (rare) occasions, however, informed a manager that the airline can take it’s choice: either the passenger gets off or I get off. Usually the Captain wins :mrgreen:

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January 24th, 2007 at 2:40 am
Spurwing Plover
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The perfect T-Shirt for him would be one reading #1 IDIOT with a arrow pointing up to his head

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